Patch Poll: Did Steve King Mean to Insult Immigrants When He Compared Them to Dogs?
Iowa Congressman Steve King has been critizided for making a metaphor that compares immigrants to dogs, but is it really insulting or was it taken out of context?
Iowa Republican Congressman Steve King is no stranger to controversy.
He's most recently taken some heat for references to puppies and immigrants that some have said were racist.
But his communications director said that the quote was taken out of context, and that King was speaking highly of immigrants and their aggressive pursuit of the American dream.
So, we'll leave it up to you to decide. Read the full quote below, taken during a speech in Humbolt last week, and vote for whether you think Steve King was insulting, or whether the controversy is overblown.
"You put out a beacon like the Statue of Liberty and who comes here? The most vigorous from every country that has donated legal immigrants to America. The cream of the crop. We’ve always had bird dogs around our place. In our family there’s a black lab and white lab a yellow lab, and my brother has a chocolate lab. Well you go in and you look at a litter of pups, and you watch them. You watch how they play. They run around a little bit. And, what do you want? You want a good bird dog, and you want one that’s gonna be aggressive? Pick the one that’s the friskiest, the one that’s in games the most. Not the one that’s over there sleeping in the corner. You want a pet to sit on the couch, pick the one that’s sleeping in the corner? That’s — so, you get the pick of the litter, you got yourself a pretty good bird dog. We got the pick of every donor civilization on the planet because it’s hard to get here. You had to be inspired to come. We got the vigor from the planet to come to America. Whichever generation it was, and then we taught our children that same thing."
Tom
6:56 am on Monday, May 28, 2012
Because illegal immigrants steal what legal immigrants fight for. It's like a jerk cutting in line and not allowing you to get into the great event. If you can't see that, you are encouraging the breaking of our laws.
James Mather
7:41 am on Monday, May 28, 2012
Tell me, what does an "illegal" immigrant look like?
Noe Kreddits
10:17 am on Monday, May 28, 2012
oh, please, ... "legal" and "illegal" are terms that do not describe "looks", but a description of those who follow process versus those who do not.
James - what part of "illegal" is ok with you?
And, Mr. Raynor is obviously trying very hard to find controversy in any way shape or form about Mr. King. I believe most of your readers are able to determine the Steve King quote as metaphor, not as a blatant condescending statement as advertised in your title. Boo.
This is yet another example of poor journalism, rife in today's publications.
Frank
10:25 am on Monday, May 28, 2012
Steve King doesn't like anyone who isn't a white male, or subservient female, and he found a district years ago with a plurality like him. Heck, he even lost the primary his first run, but managed to find a plurality of haters at the convention fight since none had a majority. Once elected, he even could hide his prejudiced arrogance by refusing to debate previous opponents, as his similarly-minded district allowed him and tolerated his behavior. His new district is still highly skewed right, but he's going to have to work at least. Other than bloviating with Michele Bachmann, how much effort has he ever exerted? We might get to see if there is any fire in his belly yet.
Noe Kreddits
10:40 am on Monday, May 28, 2012
Frank - where are you drawing those conclusions from? Please cite your sources for such. In fact, I think you are attempting to deride those in his district as like-minded; that is, you just insulted a majority of those in his district.
Sounds like sour grapes to me.
Noe Kreddits
10:34 am on Monday, May 28, 2012
And, when Mr. King states, "we got the vigor from the planet to come to America", where in-the-world do you conjure up a connotation of "insult" from such a statement?
In fact, is Mr. King not referring to all our fore-fathers and other immigrants from 2-300 years before?
"some have said were racist.." Some who? I am some who are not saying his comments are racist. Where's your report on that, Mr. Raynor?
I think you need to go re-read your "Beliefs" section, Mr. Raynor, in your profile as an editor for Patch. "At Patch, we promise always to report the facts as objectively as possible ...". I do not see any correlation between what Mr. King stated above and a direct link to comparing immigrants to dogs. Nor do I see any inference on Mr. King's part to impart color into his selection process of what dog is good for what purpose. You, Mr. Raynor, have fabricated and imposed your obsession for controversy into the title of the article(?); you have demeaned and insulted your own readership.
I see nothing objective about this other than your own personal objective to have Mr. King belittled and thrown from office come election time. That much is obvious.
B.A. Morelli
10:56 am on Monday, May 28, 2012
@noe I don't follow your logic. Last week, several groups locally and nationally criticized Steve King for his statement, calling it offensive and insulting. That some people consider the statement insulting is not in dispute. What is up for debate is whether the criticism is warranted, and this article asks readers, many of whom will be voting this fall, to weigh in.
Noe Kreddits
1:53 pm on Monday, May 28, 2012
The title leads the reader into a state of mind, a cast, if you will, into how to read the statement from Steve King. Perhaps you many not see it as misleading, but it is definitely NOT stating the facts and nothing but the facts here. Mr. Raynor chose to employ words and diction to incite readers---that is not journalism. That is just a pathetic attempt to justify his employment at the expense of Mr. King.
If the report simply stated, "Mr. King stated this last week" and dryly re-printed what Mr. King said verbatim without an emotionally engaging title, then the readers could pass judgment for themselves on whether Mr. King needs to be castrated or not.
And, words, such as "some", "several", "many"... these are not "facts". They are far from it. My guess is Mr. King will be re-elected and you will cast "many" Iowans to thus be like-minded bigots. That's too bad.
CFBusinessOwner
11:03 am on Monday, May 28, 2012
Rep.Steve King is an embarrassment to this state. Take a few seconds to Google him and you'll find a HUGE sampling of quotes that show he's doing a fine job of giving his opponents plenty of examples of why he should not be re-elected. He's a perfect example of why we might want to require all congress persons to have a college education.
A sampling of open-mouth-insert-foot quotes from Steve King:
In March, Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) said that if Obama were elected, Al Qaeda would be "dancing in the streets…If they don't dance in the streets, I will come and apologize to you and everybody in America." http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2009/12/unhinged-republicans-their-own-words?page=2
"The way to look at the reasons Obama doesn't place his hand over his heart when the national anthem is playing, or wear an American flag pin is primarily because he is not willful or spiteful, but because it just doesn't occur to him because it's not the way he's been raised. American patriotism is not imprinted on his mind or in his heart, because he wasn't raised as an American." —Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa)
"We have now national socialism in America." —Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa), talking about the federal takeover of GM (Source:http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2009/12/unhinged-republicans-their-own-words?page=2 )
Noe Kreddits
1:42 pm on Monday, May 28, 2012
How are any of those statements an embarrassment to the state? I could pick out plenty of embarrassment from senator Harkin's past, if I "took a few seconds to Google him".
Noe Kreddits
2:00 pm on Monday, May 28, 2012
What's intriguing to me is how liberals react and down-cast Mr. King simply for being a republican when he uses logic akin to Darwinism to support "American Exceptionalism". For all the liberals who detest the narrow version of history in the bible, its amazing how they quickly they dismiss Mr. King's narrative as nonsense and racism as soon as possible, rather than take it as evolutionary progress in the eyes of Darwin. If senator Harkin or any other democrat had spouted as much, well, that would have been taken much differently.
Kurt B.
2:54 pm on Monday, May 28, 2012
From reading the article, it does not appear he intended to insult immigrants by what he commented regarding puppies. And, if our history teachers taught us correctly, when immigrants came to the US many years ago ( from Europe or wherever ), the healthy ones were allowed to stay. The unhealthy ones were sent back.
David Tiffany
4:13 pm on Monday, May 28, 2012
America's history of settlement has always been one of bigotry. We slaughtered the native Americans and moved them into enclaves because they were considered subhuman. And we permitted immigrants if they were wealthy, white and healthy - others need not apply. Then we began to limit them by nationality - because we didn't want to destroy the 'ethnic balance' of our society. And now, we propose fences and electrification, and shooting them to keep them from crossing our borders, and our businessmen hire them back in their own countries in the hope that they will stay there - but we pay them slave labor wages. Steve King may not have "meant" to insult foreigners, but he is still a bigot, because he "does" insult foreigners.
Bill & Mary Claire
4:22 pm on Monday, May 28, 2012
Learn a lesson from CNN, MSNBC, algore's failed cable network and nearly every withering newspaper in America ( including the Des Moines Rooster ): as soon as you depart from basic factual reporting in your "news" articles you will lose your objective reputation and lose your viewer/reader base. Then you head into lower circulation/ratings, which makes you panic and think you need to shore up your user base. So you then start to pander to your remaining small audience with more and more polarized views. And you wind up with about 5% of your original users.
Just refer right up front to articles like this as opinion pieces and not news and you'll do yourself and your readers a huge favor. And we won't flee from your questionable reporting and barely passable journalism in favor of good, objective local information. Thanks.
Proud UNI Grad
11:11 am on Tuesday, May 29, 2012
I see nothing in the title or in the actual column that leads a reader in either direction. Of course it is opinion...the readers' opinions. A direct question was asked to the readers with the facts of the situation following. If I said, "Do you think ice cream tastes good on a cold day?" am I leading you to vote in a certain direction? You folks are creating your own controversy more than the writer of this piece did. I think some conservatives and liberals are just immediately on the defensive when one of their mates is mentioned. By the way, I voted "no" because after reading it I don't think he said anything derogatory in this particular quote. I may or may not agree with it, but I don't think it was an intentional slight on immigrants.
SAUL JUAREZ
4:13 pm on Saturday, October 27, 2012
I DON'T THINK KING MENT TO BE RACIST,I JUST THINK HE IS VERY STUPID,JUST LIKE THE BIGOTS THAT VOTE FOR HIM
Dorothy Carey
1:22 am on Tuesday, May 29, 2012
Steve King has demonstrated over the years that he is a racist and bigot. I wonder what the people in his district are thinking when they keep electing him.....or maybe they think just like he does. He is a disgrace and embarrassment to the state of Iowa. Why doesn't he move down South where he will just be one of the good ol' boys...rednecks and bigots.
Maria Houser Conzemius
4:23 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
As much as I dislike western Iowa's Rep. Steve King (R) and find him a constant embarrassment, I don't think he meant to insult illegal aliens in this quotation. I think he's just trying to think about who comes to the U.S. and why with his native intelligence based on watching bird dogs. The queen of England is also interested in breeding dogs.
Maria Houser Conzemius
4:25 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
I remember talking to my sister about finding an animal to adopt at the Iowa City Animal Shelter, and commented to her that often the animals pick us out rather than the other way around. She said orphans in an orphanage are the same way. They pick out their adoptive parents rather than the other way around. Neither one of us was offended. I knew what she meant and she knew what I meant.
Marilyn Krocheski
8:27 am on Thursday, June 21, 2012
No, because the communist, ridiculous, eccentric, democrap, odummers always lie. They've got satan on their tongues...